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Aug 12, 2015 14:43
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Polish term

moment zasisku

Polish to English Tech/Engineering Engineering (general)
W zdaniu o wkrętach do tworzyw sztucznych:

Geometria gwintu AlfaTech gwarantuje niezawodność montażu, niskie wartości momentów wkręcania, wysoki moment zacisku i bardzo wysokie parametry wytrzymałościowe połączenia.
Proposed translations (English)
4 clamping effort
3 +2 clamping torque
3 tightening torque
Change log

Aug 12, 2015 17:34: Crannmer changed "Language pair" from "English to Polish" to "Polish to English"

Discussion

A.G. Aug 25, 2015:
Qualitative vs. quantitative Określenie w oryginale jest typowym jakościowym opisem cech tego gwintu. Gdyby był ilościowym opisem, autor zorientowałby się, że coś nie gra (jednostki). A "effort" w kontekście ilościowym:

For a driving torque of .... Nm, the clamping effort exerted by each jaw is
approximately equal to 67 N, a sufficient value for the application.
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 23, 2015:
@A.G. : There are Tables for fasteners that list both the Tightening Torque and the resultant Quanitative Clamping Load. These are industry descriptions. I could not find a table for fasteners that lists clamping effort.
A.G. Aug 22, 2015:
Nicely written but overly wrong. Clamping effort to nie moment zacisku ale siła zacisku (wydawało się, że ten problem (moment) został już zdiagnozowany). Słowo 'effort' ma trzy definicje w moim Longmanie. Ostania mówi o skutku usiłowań. Takim skutkiem jest np. braking effort. To nie siła, z którą naciskamy na pedał hamulca, a moment hamujący na kole (siła hamowania). Two in one
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 18, 2015:
Would a manufacturer extol the virtues of a product by touting its great clamping effort ( wysoki moment zacisku) ? Effort is what a human has to expend to tighten the bolt. On the contrary, the effort has to minimal. Indeed, it depends on the tool used (the length of the torque wrench, for example) and the presence or absence of grease (wet/dry).
A.G. Aug 16, 2015:
Wyręczam w tym.. Nie bardzo rozumiem, kto kogo i do czego chce tu przekonać. Problem jest banalny (niezręczny zwrot źródłowy) Zmieńcie wpisy: Frank: clamping load; IRA: clamping force. A ja proponuję an elegant variant: effort.
IRA100 Aug 16, 2015:
@ poprzednicy Moment is a static force while torque is a movement force (rotary force).
High torque may be absorbed by high friction and not produce tension.
"Clamping torque" does not exist. Nie istnieje też "moment zacisku"
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 15, 2015:
The tightening torque (the cause) creates the clamp load (the effect). Manufacturing tables allow one to figure out one from the other:
Suggested Tightening Torque Values To Produce Corresponding Bolt Clamping Loads
http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf

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The clamping force created during tightening stretches the bolt similar to a spring. The reaction force (the right hand side of the graph) is the clamp load of the joint being compressed.
https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Article - Bolted J...
A.G. Aug 15, 2015:
@ poprzednicy Wyręczam w tym, co sami powinniście zrobić. Clamping torque to zawsze moment dokręcania (w oryginale - mały). Tightening torque jest ambigous (ale też raczej dokręcania).
Torque używam tylko wtedy, gdy skutkuje ruchem. Moment, gdy skutkuje również naprężeniem
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 12, 2015:
"Torque moment" is like buttery butter. Another name for torque is moment or moment of force.

Torque, moment, or moment of force (see the terminology below) is the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 12, 2015:
The problem with torque figures is that they also depend on the conditions of the threads and on greasing. Bolt tables contain recommended tightening torque to achieve the right clamping load.
IRA100 Aug 12, 2015:
czy torque moment to jest moment wkręcania? torque is a special case of moment, such that it relates to the axis of rotation driving the rotation, while moment relates to being driven by external force(s) to cause the rotation.
IRA100 Aug 12, 2015:
IMO tekst jest mało wiarygodny profesjonalnie. nie ma "momentu zacisku", jest za to siła zacisku (clamping force).
Powinno być raczej "moment dokręcenia" ale to przy innych połączeniach.
Analogicznie nie ma "clamping torque".
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Aug 12, 2015:
Tightening (wkręcanie) creates clamping (obciążenie zaciskowe, siła docisku) load, which is measured in units of force not of torque. The bolt stretches, hence the load. I recommend clamping load.

Proposed translations

2 days 19 hrs
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clamping effort

Separable fastener and installation thereof
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bolt and a metallic nut having coupling screw threads. .... bolt to exert a clamping effort on the.pieces.
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17 mins

tightening torque

IMO
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10 mins

clamping torque

IMO

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Note added at 13 mins (2015-08-12 14:56:23 GMT)
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also
tightening torque

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Note added at 40 mins (2015-08-12 15:23:32 GMT)
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Tightening (wkręcanie) creates clamping (obciążenie zaciskowe) load, which is measured in units of force not of torque. I recommend clamping load.


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Note added at 7 hrs (2015-08-12 22:11:14 GMT)
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About clamping load

Observe that load is in pounds and the torque is in lb-in (pound-inches)
Suggested Tightening Torque Values To Produce Corresponding Bolt Clamping Loads

Also, there is dry torque and wet torque - without and with grease applied.

http://www.spaenaur.com/pdf/sectionD/D48.pdf
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Note from asker:
czy torque moment to jest moment wkręcania?
Peer comment(s):
agree Dawid Mazela, MA, MCIL : clamping torque – tak, ale „tightening torque” to raczej „moment dokręcania” albo właśnie „wkręcania” jak w pytaniu
4 mins
Masz rację Dawidzie. Dziękuję za uwagę.
agree Jacek Konopka
19 hrs
Dziękuję Jacku.
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