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Aug 27, 2004 10:12
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persekutuan
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This appears in Malaysian birth certificates, under 'lain2 jenis pengenalan bapa' and 'lain2 jenis pengenalan ibu', i.e. this space is filled in with 'persekutuan'. What does this mean and how do I translate this?
Thanks.
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Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | federation [sic] |
yam2u
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| 5 | alliance OR federation |
Will Matter
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| 3 +1 | Federation |
ajali
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Proposed translations
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federation [sic]
mona,
"federation [sic]" -- meaning i.e. 'intentionally so written, to indicate that translation exactly reproduces the original'.
- that is how the rendering should be. in as far as you as the translator is concerned, there is no need to speculate. in fact one shouldn't assume meaning in such vague cases.
- in translating legal documents, the responsibility of the translator is to reproduce the original as closely as possible. for example, if something cannot be read, you put [illegible] right after the text.
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Note added at 5 hrs 4 mins (2004-08-27 15:17:18 GMT)
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\"...you put [illegible] right after the text.\"
should read
\"...you put [illegible] where the unreadable text should be.\"
sorry!
"federation [sic]" -- meaning i.e. 'intentionally so written, to indicate that translation exactly reproduces the original'.
- that is how the rendering should be. in as far as you as the translator is concerned, there is no need to speculate. in fact one shouldn't assume meaning in such vague cases.
- in translating legal documents, the responsibility of the translator is to reproduce the original as closely as possible. for example, if something cannot be read, you put [illegible] right after the text.
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Note added at 5 hrs 4 mins (2004-08-27 15:17:18 GMT)
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\"...you put [illegible] right after the text.\"
should read
\"...you put [illegible] where the unreadable text should be.\"
sorry!
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Comment: "Thanks, May. And thanks, Ajali, for all your help, but I'm going with May's [sic] because the info here doesn't make sense."
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alliance OR federation
I know that 'persekutuan' by itself, is 'alliance' or 'federation' i.e. 'a group of people or organizations that have banded together for their common good' but i don't know why this is being used on a birth certificate. HTH.
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Federation
In the old Birth Certificate that I have.........It is stated Form A. Federation of Malaya........So, I think under the same The births and death Registration Ordinance, 1957 [section 14; Rule 7], I think the same word apply........"federation" and not ""federal" as in "Wilayah Persekutuan"
I think it mean, do the father/mother has any different name registered in "persekutuan tanah melayu", of course its Malaysia now.
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Interesting..........Since I have never work in the Register Office, I can only guess.........Suppose to be written as \"Non\" or \"the same\". Something to that effect. Probably it is a standard answer....So, I still think \"persekutuan\" here mean \"federation\". Is there any other name in the \"federation\".........I don\'t think it mean alliance or hubungan or something to that effect. Just think of this: If you have two names \"Ramona\" and \"Mona\". Both are registered in the federation.......then your baby\'s certificate will be filled with both names. If you only have one.........then, the other should be non, nil.
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Note added at 1 hr 50 mins (2004-08-27 12:02:49 GMT)
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So, \"persekutuan\" here mean \"federation\". In other words, it mean, Nil or no other name in the federation.
I think it mean, do the father/mother has any different name registered in "persekutuan tanah melayu", of course its Malaysia now.
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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2004-08-27 11:59:29 GMT)
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Interesting..........Since I have never work in the Register Office, I can only guess.........Suppose to be written as \"Non\" or \"the same\". Something to that effect. Probably it is a standard answer....So, I still think \"persekutuan\" here mean \"federation\". Is there any other name in the \"federation\".........I don\'t think it mean alliance or hubungan or something to that effect. Just think of this: If you have two names \"Ramona\" and \"Mona\". Both are registered in the federation.......then your baby\'s certificate will be filled with both names. If you only have one.........then, the other should be non, nil.
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Note added at 1 hr 50 mins (2004-08-27 12:02:49 GMT)
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So, \"persekutuan\" here mean \"federation\". In other words, it mean, Nil or no other name in the federation.
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Monica Devi Lim (X)
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