Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Japanese term or phrase:
密告制度
English translation:
Network of clandestine informants
Added to glossary by
KNielsen
Feb 3, 2006 04:23
18 yrs ago
Japanese term
密告制度
Japanese to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
How would you translate this? It's in relation to North Korea (ie, that North Korea operates on this kind of a system). Thanks for your help!
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Network of clandestine informants
制度 is typically "system," but essentially means a structured process for doing something. "Organization" or "network" would also work.
密告 is to inform secretively.
Network of secret informants
Network of clandestine informants
...it's difficult to choose the right style without more context.
密告 is to inform secretively.
Network of secret informants
Network of clandestine informants
...it's difficult to choose the right style without more context.
Peer comment(s):
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Naikei Wong
: agree but would prefer the term "secret" (to clandestine): http://atlantic2.gssc.nihon-u.ac.jp/kiyou/pdf06/6-235-246-mi...
8 hrs
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Kurt Hammond
: This just sounds good to me. Not sure if it matches the context though.
10 hrs
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| neutral |
humbird
: Best of all answers but does not convey chilling and eerie nature of the system (or institution) itself. Also with NKWong.
1 day 11 hrs
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| agree |
Maynard Hogg
: I prefer clandestine to secret because it better conveys the insidious nature of the Kim regime.
7 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all so much for your thoughtful answers, and my apologies for taking so long with this; I've really been scratching my head over it. As to the question of a gulag, it is commonly acknowledged to exist (see, for example, http://www.hrnk.org/hiddengulag/toc.html or
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501031103-526547,00.html
), but the gulag is usually translated as a system of (強制)収容所. Anyway, your answers and discussion were very helpful, and thanks again!"
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4 mins
Japanese term (edited):
密告制度
secretive regime
Rachel Zabarkes Friedman on North Korea & College Activism on ...
Although our knowledge of what goes on in North Korea
Although our knowledge of what goes on in North Korea
Peer comment(s):
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Maynard Hogg
: It means reporting on your neighbors--e.g., http:www.northkoreanrefugees.com/hurryup.htm They also faced betrayal by neighbors wishing to collect bounty money.
10 mins
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Happy to stand corrected. (-:
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anonymous report system
With this system, the government get secretive information and grant reward to the informer.
Peer comment(s):
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Maynard Hogg
: As you have already pointed out, it's only "anonymous" to the victim. The authorities often know (and reward) the informers.
7 mins
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20 mins
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anonymous tipsters
The Chinese, for example, have "neighborhood committees" monitoring everyone's activities and reporting people to the police. Got a grudge? Make something up!
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http://www.jca.apc.org/apfs/event/event20040227.htm describes the system as practiced in police state Japan, my home, but I don't see a direct translation for the term.
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How about "the government has a network of informants" or, to use a verb (BAD English habit) "the government relies on informants." The latter has advantage of not involving an organized network or requiring that the informers be known to the authorities.
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"the government encouraging informing on the neighbors"? In my dialect of English "informing on" does not require truth.
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Thanks for the context. A three-pronged approach: informants, secret police, and concentration camps.
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http://www.jca.apc.org/apfs/event/event20040227.htm describes the system as practiced in police state Japan, my home, but I don't see a direct translation for the term.
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How about "the government has a network of informants" or, to use a verb (BAD English habit) "the government relies on informants." The latter has advantage of not involving an organized network or requiring that the informers be known to the authorities.
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"the government encouraging informing on the neighbors"? In my dialect of English "informing on" does not require truth.
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Thanks for the context. A three-pronged approach: informants, secret police, and concentration camps.
Peer comment(s):
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Kazuo SAWADA
: anonymous tipsters mean those who give information by anonymity.
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Sorry about that. Anonymity just makes the Japanese system more egregious.
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3 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
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informant system
Peer comment(s):
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humbird
: We find this in fifth paragraph of your above-mentioned site ... While this is a good quote, please be careful, because if you go peacetime field studies and employ informers, they are also called "informant". Not precise enough to this context.
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Japanese term (edited):
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system of (anonymous) denunciations / network of (anonymous) denouncers
From "denounce" - "5. To declare or make known (an offender) to the authorities; to inform against, delate, accuse." (OED)
E.g.
"It can hardly be an accident that the choice of the name Benedict refers back to a Pope of that name in the early years of the last century who put an end to a particularly nasty system of anonymous denunciations."
(Source: http://www.publishersweekly.com/index.asp?layout=articleprin...
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I think the issue of anonymity is a moot point. What happens is usually thus (from the Soviet and GDR system): A wants to inform on B for whatever reason (B's started to listen to foreign broadcasts, B got more food etc.); A goes to C whom A knows is a member of the security forces; C reports to D (a bureaucrat in the system); then D sends E (secret police) to fetch B; B is arrested; B is sent to a court where s/he is accused by the "justice" system on the "evidence" of A but without knowing the identity of the informant/denouncer. Tried and sent to a camp. D or E may not know the identity of A.
It is known that people living in reressive regimes denounced others for various reasons - not only for profit/reward but also mutual fear ("I'd better inform on him before he does on me") or jealousy ("they've got more food / a cow / a pig etc.").
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"Under a directive issued by Kim’s father, North Korea’s founder, Kim Il Sung, three generations of a dissident’s family can be jailed simply on the basis of a denunciation."
(http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/)
E.g.
"It can hardly be an accident that the choice of the name Benedict refers back to a Pope of that name in the early years of the last century who put an end to a particularly nasty system of anonymous denunciations."
(Source: http://www.publishersweekly.com/index.asp?layout=articleprin...
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I think the issue of anonymity is a moot point. What happens is usually thus (from the Soviet and GDR system): A wants to inform on B for whatever reason (B's started to listen to foreign broadcasts, B got more food etc.); A goes to C whom A knows is a member of the security forces; C reports to D (a bureaucrat in the system); then D sends E (secret police) to fetch B; B is arrested; B is sent to a court where s/he is accused by the "justice" system on the "evidence" of A but without knowing the identity of the informant/denouncer. Tried and sent to a camp. D or E may not know the identity of A.
It is known that people living in reressive regimes denounced others for various reasons - not only for profit/reward but also mutual fear ("I'd better inform on him before he does on me") or jealousy ("they've got more food / a cow / a pig etc.").
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"Under a directive issued by Kim’s father, North Korea’s founder, Kim Il Sung, three generations of a dissident’s family can be jailed simply on the basis of a denunciation."
(http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/)
Peer comment(s):
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Maynard Hogg
: Thanks for elaborating on my hints about the evils of such systems.
6 days
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14 hrs
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a(n extensive) network of informers
North Korea is itself a rigidly totalitarian state where the population is kept in check by a network of spies, informers, prison camps and executioners.
The North Korean political police, known as the Ministry for Protection of the State Security (MPSS), run an extensive network of informers.
The North Korean political police, known as the Ministry for Protection of the State Security (MPSS), run an extensive network of informers.
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1 day 17 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
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government reward system for secret reporting
This happens often (but not limited to) under totalitalian, secret regime such as North Korea.
I am not sure any simplistic, or one-size-fits-all translation. I have chosen this for following reasons:
government -- It is obvious this is not a private operation. I believe this needs to be emphasized.
reward -- there has to be reward to the informers to encourage such activities
system -- because this is institutional (i.e. governmental)
secret -- no need for explanation
reporting -- I would avoid "infomant" for the reason I stated in my comment to other answerer
Hope this helps.
I am not sure any simplistic, or one-size-fits-all translation. I have chosen this for following reasons:
government -- It is obvious this is not a private operation. I believe this needs to be emphasized.
reward -- there has to be reward to the informers to encourage such activities
system -- because this is institutional (i.e. governmental)
secret -- no need for explanation
reporting -- I would avoid "infomant" for the reason I stated in my comment to other answerer
Hope this helps.
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9 hrs
Japanese term (edited):
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hidden gulag system
U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea
... NORTH KOREAN GULAG I ... system, which was collected by Republic of Korea government agencies, scholars, and specialists. The first major international human rights NGO report on North ...www.hrnk.org/hiddengulag/part1.html - 114k
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OpinionJournal - The Real World
... THE REAL WORLD. North Korea's Gulags. Even babies aren't ... for Human Rights in North Korea. In landmark depth ... report, titled, "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps ...www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110004200 - 0 -
... NORTH KOREAN GULAG I ... system, which was collected by Republic of Korea government agencies, scholars, and specialists. The first major international human rights NGO report on North ...www.hrnk.org/hiddengulag/part1.html - 114k
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OpinionJournal - The Real World
... THE REAL WORLD. North Korea's Gulags. Even babies aren't ... for Human Rights in North Korea. In landmark depth ... report, titled, "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps ...www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110004200 - 0 -
Peer comment(s):
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Naikei Wong
: But N. Korea is too small to have a meaningful gulag (originally a Russian invention)!
27 mins
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| disagree |
humbird
: Reminds me of Solzenitzin (spell??), but with NKWong. Not appropriate.
1 day 2 hrs
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Maynard Hogg
: "Gulag" is usually glossed as "string of clandestine prison camps," so your suggestion is a non-starter.
6 days
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