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Aug 27, 2015 11:32
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French term

jetée de type « darse »

French to English Other Transport / Transportation / Shipping UK English – Airport design
I don't have any illustration of what is meant. However the term "darse" occurs elsewhere in the document:

"Création d’une darse avion perpendiculaire ou satellite"

My provisional translation of this is "dock-type pier".
Proposed translations (English)
4 a wet dock
2 aircraft dock-type pier, - bridge, - finger
References
http://www.ffaa.net/ships/aircraft-carrier/clemenceau/historique.htm
Terminal plans

Discussion

patrickfor Sep 8, 2015:
Thank you Barbara for telling us about all the information you found after such a deep research!
B D Finch (asker) Sep 8, 2015:
Update I have finally worked out that "darse" is a wide pier providing a concourse. I suppose one could see it, from that point of view, as a harbour for the passengers. I have translated it as "concourse-type pier".
B D Finch (asker) Sep 3, 2015:
Closing comment I've not resolved this and the client hasn't yet answered. The word "darse" is used in contradictory ways in the ST and seems to be wrongly used.
B D Finch (asker) Aug 29, 2015:
@Nikki and Abraham Thank you. Nikki's Larousse reference gives a useful drawing of a number of piers radiating from a curved terminal building; though it is still unclear whether "darse" relates to the space between the piers. Britannica does not show this type of design. The Wikipedia reference is not very useful and the NASA one is too simplified. The airport my document refers to does not have a curved terminal building. I think that what my term actually means that the terminal building has a pier projecting from it, which then forms a T-junction with a pier projecting from each end of that cross element. Rather like the top part of a letter H. However, I still don't know what to call it in English.
AbrahamS Aug 27, 2015:
@Barbara I imagine that you have seen these two?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_terminal
http://www.britannica.com/technology/pier-terminal
From the reference unearthed by Nikki, it looks like a "darse" design would translate in English simply as "pier", and that "jetée" is in French a different design altogether, something between linear and pier. This is explained further on this site, where the equivalent of the French "jetée" is called "pier finger":
http://virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov/airport_design/7.html
Given all this, I think that your "dock-type pier", that builds on the "pier" concept to suggest the parallel fingers, is spot on.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Aug 27, 2015:
Check this source http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/divers/aéroport/18971
Les différentes conceptions d'aérogares
Aérogare
L'architecture d'une aérogare peut revêtir différentes configurations ; elle peut être linéaire, en jetée, en darses ou rayonnante.
Les aérogares sont appelées à s'étendre au fur et à mesure que le trafic croît. Leur croissance organique explore toutes les ressources de la géométrie et l'on voit se dégager des familles : aérogares linéaires, arachnéennes, en couronnes, modulaires, à satellites multiples.
B D Finch (asker) Aug 27, 2015:
@Jessica I probably should have made clear in my original posting that I do know the correct translation of "jetée", in this context, is "pier", not "jetty".
B D Finch (asker) Aug 27, 2015:
@Nikki & Patrick Yes, it is in inverted commas in the ST. However, inverted commas tend to be splattered around quite liberally in French and are often used as a form of emphasis.

My ST does not specifically relate to south-west France, though I note that there could be some historical reference to facilities for seaplanes. Actually, because "darse" means a dock or basin in a maritime context, I think that the semicircular add-on to Blagnac might well be significant.

Unless somebody comes up with a reliable translation, I shall ask my client about this.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Aug 27, 2015:
Question Is "darse" in inverted commas in your original?
patrickfor Aug 27, 2015:
@Barbara it might be irrelevant but I was thinking the term might be coming from the "seaplane" world as this part of France was instrumental in the seaplane manufacturing and development in the past...
B D Finch (asker) Aug 27, 2015:
@Patrick Thanks for that. It's both useful and infuriating because the word "darse" clearly refers to a specific design of pier, not to its use. It seems to be used very much as a shorthand in your reference document. However, I found an aerial photo of Toulouse airport which showed a layout of what I think is the new extension, comprising a semicircular wing with an elaborate layout of piers leading to satellite hubs with more piers radiating from them. It also showed a more conventional layout of piers in the older part of the airport.
patrickfor Aug 27, 2015:
@Barbara
Thanks to my friends at AIRBUS Toulouse I have some information for you...
the term could be mainly used in the SW...

"L'aire de trafic dédiée à l'aviation générale ou darse".

You will find 3 or 4 references to "darse" in the following document
www.toulouse.aeroport.fr/sites/default/files/contrib/profes...

Good luck! I hope it helps...
B D Finch (asker) Aug 27, 2015:
Context Please note that this is about airport design and nothing whatsoever to do with harbours or ships.
Jessica Noyes Aug 27, 2015:
The reference posting I made clearly suggests a basin, although yours makes it clear that it's a jetty. My mind won't wrap around "basin-type jetty," though. As for "darse avion" if the context tells you that it's a jetty, you might consider the term "wing jetty".

Proposed translations

2 hrs

a wet dock

une darse is a wet area for handling cargo

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OK, didn't read the question correctly!

A dock then!
Reference:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darse

Note from asker:
Not in an airport it isn't!
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2 hrs

aircraft dock-type pier, - bridge, - finger

As a "darse" is a dock, basin, inner harbour which has not gate, it is thus an open affair, if you see what I mean. I thought of "(aircarft) docking pier" but it does not get many hits.

One example : http://www.gettyimages.fr/detail/photo-d'actualité/airc...

Airport terimnals can have a pier system as here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_terminal
(Oops, Wikipedia. Oh, who cares?!)

Here, slide 10 of 44 shows a number of terminal design types which might inspire. The "pier" type can be in a U-shaped form, which makes me think of the open dock type idea, but short of saying U-shaped, the idea is not conveyed : http://fr.slideshare.net/amaliqmal/terminal-design-27782819

13and 14 of 44 : pier/finger

Not guessing, but maybe a couple of ideas you could follow up.





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http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/aero/virtual/demo/design/tutorial/...

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Pier finger terminal
This terminal configuration evolved during the 1950s when gate concourses were added to the simple terminal building designs. A concourse is actually defined as an open space where paths meet. Passengers are usually processed at the simple terminal location and then routed down a "pier" where aircraft are parked in the "finger" slots or gates for boarding.


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http://slideplayer.com/slide/1531324/

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Try "pier finger" on the last source. My Adblock won't give me full accces, but the Google summary looked promising. ;-)

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Don't worry. I realized you had pier, the element lacking is how "darse" is meant to be interpreted. It seems important to bear in mind that a "darse" is to all intents and purposes an "open" dock, U-shaped, to the extent that there is no gate. As I read this, it may mean there is a pier on either side when an aircraft is in place.
"Darse" is used here : http://www.republicoftogo.com/Toutes-les-rubriques/Economie/... You may be able to track down sources from there.

I suppose you ar enot able to divulge the airport concerned in your context, or you would have done so already... 8-(

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Here, "darse" would appear to have the meaning of "pier" alone, perhaps even "bridge". Hmmm : http://www.webtimemedias.com/article/100-millions-d’euros-po...

Une nouvelle passerelle, accolée à celle existante auprès de la verrière du Terminal 2, sera tout d’abord créée. Une future darse qui se projettera vers le Var sera ensuite érigée au niveau même des pistes, permettant un débarquement accéléré des passagers et une rotation plus rapide des avions. Toujours sur les pistes, un nouveau satellite hélicoptère est prévu, de même qu’un hangar en Zone Sud et un nouveau dépôt pour le stockage du carburant afin d’améliorer encore la sécurité et surtout l’autonomie de l’aéroport dans ce domaine.

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http://www.adp-i.com/fr/aeroport-international-king-abdulazi...

Le « Passenger Terminal Processor »
Afin de créer une synergie maximale entre trafics domestiques et internationaux, l’ensemble des fonctions terminal origine/destination sont regroupées au sein du Terminal Processor. On y trouve les halls publics départ et arrivée, les halls d’enregistrement et de livraison des bagages et les halls de contrôles départ et arrivée. Le Terminal Processor est la partie du terminal la plus visible. Par sa taille et sa hauteur il constitue l’espace d’accueil principal du public. Il dispose d’un plan elliptique dont le plus grand développé est disposé en façade « ville » afin d’étirer au maximum ses accès aux routes qui le desservent. A l’opposé il se pince en direction du grand jardin central.

Il est couvert d’une toiture unique, cintrée dans son axe transversal, haute par son centre et plus basse sur ses rives. Cette couverture est habillée en sous-face d’un faux-plafond fait de résilles métalliques qui lui donnent son aspect de ciel nuageux. Elle est portée par des structures métalliques qui émergent des darses des check-in, elles-mêmes couvertes de coques arrondies.


http://www.adp-i.com/en/king-abdulaziz-international-airport...

• The Passenger Terminal Processor
In order to create maximum synergy between domestic and international traffic, all departure and destination terminal functions are brought together within the Terminal Processor. This cluster contains the public departures and arrivals areas, check-in areas, baggage reclaim and the official checkpoints for departures and arrivals. The Terminal Processor is the most visible part of the terminal. Its size and height make this the principal public area. It adopts an elliptical plan, in which the majority of the development occupies the “city” facade in order to provide the maximum length of access to and from the service roads. On the other side, it curves inwards to face the large central gardens.
Its single roof is curved on its transverse axis, highest at the centre and lowest at the eaves. The underside of the roof is clad with a suspended ceiling of metal grids giving the appearance of a cloudy sky. The roof is supported on metal structures that emerge from the check-in points, which are clad in rounded shells.
The facades of the Terminal Processor are predominantly glass, punctuated with large external stringers that protect the interior from direct sun and soften the natural light.



In furiating, this translator managed to get round using it.




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Heresa source with a description which is specific to ariport design and what the form "darse" actually means and represents : with diagram! Youpi !

http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/divers/aéroport/18971
Les différentes conceptions d'aérogares
Aérogare
L'architecture d'une aérogare peut revêtir différentes configurations ; elle peut être linéaire, en jetée, en darses ou rayonnante.
Les aérogares sont appelées à s'étendre au fur et à mesure que le trafic croît. Leur croissance organique explore toutes les ressources de la géométrie et l'on voit se dégager des familles : aérogares linéaires, arachnéennes, en couronnes, modulaires, à satellites multiples.



You will see that it would appear to be an open dock type thing, formed by the fact that there is a pier on either side. Bingo? Maybe??????
Note from asker:
I probably should have mentioned that I already knew that "pier" is the correct term for jetée. However, I think that a "finger pier" might be a "jetée éperon".
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Reference comments

1 hr
Reference:

http://www.ffaa.net/ships/aircraft-carrier/clemenceau/historique.htm

Here they mention digging the "darse," and also call it a "bassin." "L'ex-porte-avions de la Marine nationale a été mis au sec, dans une gigantesque darse qui contient également quatre vieux bâtiments logistiques de l'US Navy et deux petits navires britanniques désarmés. La darse, l'une des plus grandes du monde, mesure 360 mètres sur 290 mètres. Creusé dans les années 70 pour pouvoir accueillir des plateformes offshores, ce bassin a fait l'objet d'un important chantier et d'un assèchement progressif ces derniers mois. Désormais à sec, il va permettre le démantèlement des vieilles coques qui s'y trouvent."
Note from asker:
Thanks Jessica, but not directly relevant to my context.
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Reference:

Terminal plans

The orange plan in the Larousse ref is "en darse". I assume this derives from the basin-like area between two "jetées" (piers).
Terminal 2E at Paris CDG (http://www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/docs/default-source/passager-... has a "darse Est", which I assume is the part formed by "halls" L and M to the right on the plan. In this case it is clearly what the wikipedia ref calls a concourse layout. Again, it would seem that "darse" refers to the area between the piers.
Reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_terminal#/media/File:Terminal-Configurations.png

http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/images/A%C3%A9rogare/1306220

Note from asker:
Thanks David. I have looked at the impressive graphic and though I am still not certain what to call it, I think I now know what it is. I don't think that I could use the term "concourse".
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